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	<title>Comments on: What I Learned from Gen Con 2008 &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Tommi</title>
		<link>http://rpgdigest.com/2008/08/21/what-i-learned-from-gen-con-2008-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roleplaying games are very rarely better than other rpgs. They just are better with certain styles of play, for certain groups.

When searching for &quot;the perfect game&quot;, it is useful first to be able to tell others how one plays, or would like to play, and then ask for suitable games (or design one, better yet).

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve always said that rules can do very little to encourage roleplaying, and I still believe that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, I don&#039;t believe that, but it kinda depends on what roleplaying means in that particular sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roleplaying games are very rarely better than other rpgs. They just are better with certain styles of play, for certain groups.</p>
<p>When searching for &#8220;the perfect game&#8221;, it is useful first to be able to tell others how one plays, or would like to play, and then ask for suitable games (or design one, better yet).</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve always said that rules can do very little to encourage roleplaying, and I still believe that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t believe that, but it kinda depends on what roleplaying means in that particular sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Greywulf - I have no doubt that 4E will eventually have plenty of prestige paths, epic destinies and extra player stuff to be appealing. After all, 3E didn&#039;t start out quite so crunchy. It&#039;s the natural development of things.

And, no. We don&#039;t need no steenking splatbooks. Hear hear!

Change can be good, for a season. I also have no doubt that we&#039;ll wind up back with D&amp;D, although it may take quite a while!

@ Will - Thanks for your comment! I hope you enjoy Gen Con UK. Maybe you&#039;ll find something you like, or rediscover some enthusiasm about 4E.

@ Donny - I&#039;ve thought about that, as well. I&#039;ve played nWoD before, so I&#039;m plenty familiar with the differences. In fact, I&#039;m counting on them :)

Like I said, D&amp;D will still be on my radar. I&#039;ll be just down the street, so to speak.

And, for the record, I&#039;m not going anywhere, folks. In fact, I feel newly invigorated, and already have 2 weeks of posts scheduled and in the hopper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Greywulf &#8211; I have no doubt that 4E will eventually have plenty of prestige paths, epic destinies and extra player stuff to be appealing. After all, 3E didn&#8217;t start out quite so crunchy. It&#8217;s the natural development of things.</p>
<p>And, no. We don&#8217;t need no steenking splatbooks. Hear hear!</p>
<p>Change can be good, for a season. I also have no doubt that we&#8217;ll wind up back with D&#038;D, although it may take quite a while!</p>
<p>@ Will &#8211; Thanks for your comment! I hope you enjoy Gen Con UK. Maybe you&#8217;ll find something you like, or rediscover some enthusiasm about 4E.</p>
<p>@ Donny &#8211; I&#8217;ve thought about that, as well. I&#8217;ve played nWoD before, so I&#8217;m plenty familiar with the differences. In fact, I&#8217;m counting on them <img src='http://rpgdigest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Like I said, D&#038;D will still be on my radar. I&#8217;ll be just down the street, so to speak.</p>
<p>And, for the record, I&#8217;m not going anywhere, folks. In fact, I feel newly invigorated, and already have 2 weeks of posts scheduled and in the hopper!</p>
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		<title>By: Donny_the_DM</title>
		<link>http://rpgdigest.com/2008/08/21/what-i-learned-from-gen-con-2008-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny_the_DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try something close, like one of the other d20 variants.  Last time I had a funk, I played a d20 future Elysium nebula game (www.elysiumnebula.com) all the fluff was free too!

WoD is a good game, but it is NOT D&amp;D in the traditional sense at all.

4E isn&#039; the devil either.  It is simply a different game.  You&#039;re &quot;friend&quot; needs to take a step back and breathe!  I highly recommend the &quot;try it&quot; angle - it made a believer out of me.  Despite it&#039;s flaws it IS a fun game, though it probably isn&#039;t for everyone.

Just don&#039;t give up!  We need you!

Donny_the_DMs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thefineartofthetpk.blogspot.com/2008/08/dark-covenantfounded-in-earnest-its.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A dark covenant...founded in earnest.  It&#039;s only goal:  To roll the dice!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try something close, like one of the other d20 variants.  Last time I had a funk, I played a d20 future Elysium nebula game (www.elysiumnebula.com) all the fluff was free too!</p>
<p>WoD is a good game, but it is NOT D&amp;D in the traditional sense at all.</p>
<p>4E isn&#8217; the devil either.  It is simply a different game.  You&#8217;re &#8220;friend&#8221; needs to take a step back and breathe!  I highly recommend the &#8220;try it&#8221; angle &#8211; it made a believer out of me.  Despite it&#8217;s flaws it IS a fun game, though it probably isn&#8217;t for everyone.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t give up!  We need you!</p>
<p>Donny_the_DMs last blog post..<a href="http://thefineartofthetpk.blogspot.com/2008/08/dark-covenantfounded-in-earnest-its.html" rel="nofollow">A dark covenant&#8230;founded in earnest.  It&#8217;s only goal:  To roll the dice!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds similar to the boat I&#039;m in at the moment. 4th Ed, I&#039;ve enjoyed when I&#039;ve played but I really can&#039;t find much enthusiasm for the game at the moment. The 3.5 campaign I&#039;ve been running is still going, so I&#039;ll carry on holding that torch for a while yet myself.

But when I&#039;m trying to get enthused about 4th... well I find myself looking at Pathfinder, Aces &amp; Eights, Traveller, Call of Cthulu and others. With Gencon UK coming up (a much smaller, poorer imitation of Gencon Indy, I know, but an excuse for some random gaming), I&#039;m treating myself to the opportunity to play lots of new games and new systems and see what I&#039;m most excited about at the end of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds similar to the boat I&#8217;m in at the moment. 4th Ed, I&#8217;ve enjoyed when I&#8217;ve played but I really can&#8217;t find much enthusiasm for the game at the moment. The 3.5 campaign I&#8217;ve been running is still going, so I&#8217;ll carry on holding that torch for a while yet myself.</p>
<p>But when I&#8217;m trying to get enthused about 4th&#8230; well I find myself looking at Pathfinder, Aces &amp; Eights, Traveller, Call of Cthulu and others. With Gencon UK coming up (a much smaller, poorer imitation of Gencon Indy, I know, but an excuse for some random gaming), I&#8217;m treating myself to the opportunity to play lots of new games and new systems and see what I&#8217;m most excited about at the end of that.</p>
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		<title>By: greywulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>greywulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. 

I found the biggest problem with converting to 4e was the player resistance. 3e was designed to be player friendly, especially if you add in all the splatbooks. There&#039;s classes and races by the bucket-load, tonnes of cool Feats (foots?) and enough crunch that it&#039;s like letting a bunch of kids into a ball-pool. 

Then there&#039;s 4e. There&#039;s no doubting it&#039;s a MUCH more GM-friendly game, but it also seems to take away all of the players&#039; toys away too. It&#039;s no surprise they&#039;re resistant. I guess the solution to that is to keep pushing the cool and show them just how customizable 4e really is. They don&#039;t need no steenking splatbooks :D

That said, it sounds like moving away from D&amp;D (at least for a while, maybe) sounds like the Right Thing to do for your group. Change = rest and all that.

Keep on gaming :D

greywulfs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.microlite20.net/2008/08/21/character-du-jour-borys/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Character du Jour: Borys&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. </p>
<p>I found the biggest problem with converting to 4e was the player resistance. 3e was designed to be player friendly, especially if you add in all the splatbooks. There&#8217;s classes and races by the bucket-load, tonnes of cool Feats (foots?) and enough crunch that it&#8217;s like letting a bunch of kids into a ball-pool. </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s 4e. There&#8217;s no doubting it&#8217;s a MUCH more GM-friendly game, but it also seems to take away all of the players&#8217; toys away too. It&#8217;s no surprise they&#8217;re resistant. I guess the solution to that is to keep pushing the cool and show them just how customizable 4e really is. They don&#8217;t need no steenking splatbooks <img src='http://rpgdigest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That said, it sounds like moving away from D&amp;D (at least for a while, maybe) sounds like the Right Thing to do for your group. Change = rest and all that.</p>
<p>Keep on gaming <img src='http://rpgdigest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>greywulfs last blog post..<a href="http://blog.microlite20.net/2008/08/21/character-du-jour-borys/" rel="nofollow">Character du Jour: Borys</a></p>
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